2 of 2; Op-ed article, by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel, gets insider attention from Gert McQueen! Part two of two.

There’s always another side of any story!

see part one here…https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/1-of-2-op-ed-article-by-joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-gets-insider-attention-from-gert-mcqueen-part-one-of-two/

Behind the scenes comments of Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel

Here, in this part two post, you will find a series of PUBLIC comments from, two different PUBLIC Facebook accounts, where Joan/Doris shared a link about her Buffalo News article. She then asked her friends to comment, on the News article and to ‘educate the public’, for the News EDITED her piece and omitted keys points! She then had continued discussions, in a public forum, about the on-going (real time) placement of comments, on the News article, as well as telling falsehoods about me and family. So much for MY AND MY FAMILY’S PRIVACY! This is WHY I objected to and wrote my comments on the News article, in the first place, for Joan/Doris uses her position to exploit my family via her untruthful book!

I will be discussing many of these comments at end of the presentation of these comments.

DISCLAIMER…Whenever one writes a public article, on any Internet site, and/or comments on a public article, or writes a comment on a PUBLIC Facebook account that is plainly labeled as a PUBLIC post, there is NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. That being said, the commentators on this, on line Buffalo News story, have given their ‘right’ to privacy away and publishing their names here, on a public blog, is PART and PARCEL of the News story.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/07/14/another-voice-cuomo-must-veto-flawed-adoptee-bill/

“Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.”

― Native American Proverb

Here is her strand that she has been weaving…

Doris Michol Sippel shared a link to the group: ALARM – Advocating Legislation for the Adoption Reform MovementJuly 15 at 8:58am

My article helping New York State adoptees published! The Buffalo News edited it, omitting keys points. Please add your comments in the Comment Section! Educate the public!

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Commented. Only hope people actually read it.  July 15 at 10:18am

Doris Michol Sippel Thank you! Your comment hasn’t shown up yet. At least I cannot see it. July 15 at 10:30am

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Weird, when i commented there was one there then mine. Some one must be deleting them.  July 15 at 12:35pm

Doris Michol Sippel Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna No, it’s there. Website didn’t update, but did later.  July 15 at 3:46pm

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna I wrote about the 14th amendment equal protection clause. July 15 at 12:36pm

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Weird cause i have notifications that people replied, liked my comment but when i go back there, i see no comments. Maybe you need a subcription to the newspaper ?  July 15 at 3:24pm

Doris Michol Sippel Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna I don’t know. I answered your comment. I can send you what I have saved on a Word Document, if you like. And, I don’t know if there are other comments because I blocked my 2 evil sisters so I don’t know if they commented. I think if you blocked someone, their comments will not show up for you.  July 15 at 3:49pm

Natalie Rose Yes I see it   July 15 at 10:44pm

Paul Bourke Andrew Cuomo: typical liberal hypocrite…  July 15 at 3:20pm

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum I think I pissed someone off.  July 15 at 5:17pm

Doris Michol Sippel Why Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum? I don’t see your comments?  July 15 at 6:11pm

Doris Michol Sippel What did you say? You mean, there are other comments on there? If so, can someone send me screen shots? July 15 at 6:13pm

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Currently nine comments. July 15 at 6:52pm

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Can you see the replies to comments from people you’ve blocked? You can’t see G’s comment because you blocked her but what about people who reply to her? July 15 at 6:55pm

Doris Michol Sippel Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Nope. Nothing. I can only see comments not in her her thread by people who are not blocked. Thank you, for whatever you said! If you can copy and paste on a word doc and send it to me, I’d appreciate it.  July 15 at 10:02pm

Natalie Rose Gert McQueen – seems to be a bio fam member of authour  July 15 at 10:45pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Gert is my eldest sister who found me in 1974. I have been hunted down, harassed, abused sexually and my life threatened, all because Gert and my other sisters feel that I am wrong to be anti-adoption.I have absolutely nothing to do with these women (Ruth is the other one) and have not been in contact for over 35 years. They insert themselves into everything I do online. By what is written on that thread ( someone sent me a copy because I blocked them) I can tell you that my sisters have ruined my life. They have 6 blogs dedicated to libel and slander of me. They did horrible things to me in our reunion. I wrote a memoir, not just about them, but me, my life, my adoptive homelife, my journey, my activism since 1974. Take some time and take a look at my website and judge for yourself. www.forbiddenfamily.com … then ask, who is the sane person? Me or gert? My adoptive mother was afraid of my sisters. I am afraid of them. I cannot stop them, either. FORBIDDEN FAMILY Promoting Adoptee Identity Civil Rights Since 1974 FORBIDDENFAMILY.COM   July 15 at 10:52pm

Doris Michol Sippel Obviously, the older, non-adopted sister (Gert) has to tell the younger, adopted-out sister (me), how to behave. Sorry she dragged into other adoptees, too. July 15 at 11:04pm

Natalie Rose Oh Doris, I’m so sorry. I pass no judgement on you! I couldn’t read their comments due to being cruel and obviously vindictive.  I will absolutely read your website. I look forward to learning from you and all who’ve been working so hard against this machine.  July 15 at 11:04pm

Natalie Rose I’m not an adoptee. I’m a first mother.

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Thank you for understanding. yes, I’ve been at this a very long time. yes, I do posses my OBC, but I do not have the legal right to obtain a copy of it. Gert does not know what she is talking about…if she starts talking about how I interfered in her adoption of her son: this is the real truth: she had a boy and a girl. Her 2nd husband wanted to adopt the 15 year old boy. I said in 1980 that his birth certificate would be changed. They got mad at me and threw me out of their apartment. She is not a birthmother. She is not a foster mother. She is not an adoptive mother, but she will say she is. Twist things to get her way… I’m glad you see how she is. And I do not think I have ever exploited my two families. the book was vetted by an attorney before publication. I have never been sued for libel.    July 15 at 11:11pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose I hope you find peace in your journey as a first mother. July 15 at 11:12pm

Natalie Rose Doris Michol Sippel thank you. I’m feeling ready to place my anger into action. If you have any advice or recommend any contacts, please pm me. I’ve been reading a lot of studies and really want to make agencies provide full disclosure to future expectant mothers. July 15 at 11:16pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Yes, let me sleep on this. There are several moms I can send you to. Of course, there is Sandy MusserLee CampbellMirah Riben AuthorJo Swanson, and these are the pioneers! I’m a bit sleepy so not calling up names … Claudia Corrigan D’Arcy also has a great history and involvement in the movement. All of these moms are on facebook and have blogs, or news columns, or have written books. July 15 at 11:21pm

Natalie Rose Doris Michol Sippel thank you! Yes I recognize some of these women July 15 at 11:23pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Sleep time for me now! Goodnight!   July 15 at 11:23pm

…….and from….

Doris Michol Sippel‎ to New York State Adoptee Equality  July 15 at 9:07am

My article calling for Gov. Cuomo to veto Adoptees’ Bill was published in the Buffalo News! The editor took out key points, so, please, head over to the Comment Section!

Rosemary Starace Excellent article nevertheless.

Doris Michol Sippel Thank you!

Lisa Boone First let me say this. My adoptive family is my family. They have been there for every joyous and difficult life event. I love them with my entire heart.

After reading all of the comments, I had a burning desire to chime in at the web site containing the editorial; however, it would not further a healthy debate on the topic. The bottom line is that two people procreated and the resulting child is factually who they are at birth. We all have a right to that information and everything resulting from that is separate. Adoption will always be an important option, but my identity is mine alone. You gave up that right when you had relations. I know bio mother and one year ago found bio dad via DNA. My blood, my heritage, and my identity were erased at the age of two and replaced with another. Adoption should not erase your original identity, rather adoption should be an acceptance of who you have always been since birth, unless the adoptee chooses to change it when they grow up. I am in MN – closed adoption state. Rant over.  July 16 at 5:00pm

Gretchen Elisabeth Hoffman Catholic charities in St. Paul Minnesota had a good post adoption legal service that put me and my sons adoptive mother together. Not so closed a state

End of these comments…

Now for my own take on what Joan/Doris has said and done here!

Joan said…

My article helping New York State adoptees published! The Buffalo News edited it, omitting keys points. Please add your comments in the Comment Section! Educate the public!

Gert says…Well isn’t that NICE! The editors were at work editing out ‘key points’ of Joan/Doris’ rants. Joan knows better than an editor! She corrected that ‘editing’ in her comments on the News site. But the POINT is that the editorial stuff of the News, has the right to edit OUT what is inappropriate and knowing Joan/Doris she must have had quite a rant! ‘Educate the public’!? This is not how one goes about doing that ‘educating’, particularly when she tells falsehoods, here, and then has her ‘gang of thugs’ go after me on a public news article! This is the common practice that Joan and other adoptees do to ANYONE who is pro-adoption…bad PR work!

Joan said…

I don’t know if there are other comments because I blocked my 2 evil sisters so I don’t know if they commented. I think if you blocked someone, their comments will not show up for you.

Gert says… typical name-calling by Joan in public…character assassination. No wonder the ‘other side’ NEVER gets to tell their story, we have been pre-judged!

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum/Doris Michol Sippel says…

I think I pissed someone off.

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Can you see the replies to comments from people you’ve blocked? You can’t see G’s comment because you blocked her but what about people who reply to her? July 15 at 6:55pm

Doris Michol Sippel Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Nope. Nothing. I can only see comments not in her her thread by people who are not blocked. Thank you, for whatever you said! If you can copy and paste on a word doc and send it to me, I’d appreciate it.  July 15 at 10:02pm

Gert says…and it appears as if those News editors also were on the job keeping Gaye in her place! Gaye has her own vile tongue that is greased by Joan’s hatred for me and my family.  Joan asked for a copy and pasted doc of what is being said by me! Okay, that’s fine…but I don’t want to hear Joan bitch that HER PRIVACY is being violated! She can’t have her cake and eat it too!

Joan said…Natalie Rose Gert is my eldest sister who found me in 1974. I have been hunted down, harassed, abused sexually and my life threatened, all because Gert and my other sisters feel that I am wrong to be anti-adoption.I have absolutely nothing to do with these women (Ruth is the other one) and have not been in contact for over 35 years. They insert themselves into everything I do online. By what is written on that thread ( someone sent me a copy because I blocked them) I can tell you that my sisters have ruined my life. They have 6 blogs dedicated to libel and slander of me. They did horrible things to me in our reunion. I wrote a memoir, not just about them, but me, my life, my adoptive homelife, my journey, my activism since 1974. Take some time and take a look at my website and judge for yourself. www.forbiddenfamily.com … then ask, who is the sane person? Me or gert? My adoptive mother was afraid of my sisters. I am afraid of them. I cannot stop them, either.

Gert says…the same old tired story filled lies by Joan that she has put into print and spreads where ever she goes! Ruth and I have addressed all these accusations of Joan multiple times on our blogs and in Amazon comments and discussion forums. If we DID all these horrible things, then WHY would we write about them and provide DOCUMENTATION of the REALITY of the episodes? Joan doesn’t recognize anything but her own versions.

The fact that Joan/Doris exposes and exploits us and our family, via her books, escapes her, she sees NOTHING wrong with that and therefore she can’t fathom WHY we object! She is frustrated BECAUSE we will NOT be silent in the face of her exploitation of our family. We are her worst enemy, ones she cannot destroy because she created us.

Because she is NARCISSITIC everything is exaggerated! Any statement that is contrary to hers MUST be false! She can’t handle another’s viewpoint! How does she know how many blogs we have; because she can’t stop herself from following US AROUND! Kathy has one inactive blog. Ruth has on active blog. Gert has two active blogs and one Facebook page; that makes FIVE not six. If you count Amazon that makes six! If Joan would STOP writing about us, we wouldn’t have to contour her! She screams that we libel and slander her, but THINKS NOTHING of what she has done to us and our entire family!

Her memoir is NOT about her life it’s about her PERCEPTION of how everyone hurt her and she wrote it to get EVEN with everyone because she is adopted. Anyone who writes a book and USES the real birth and adoptive family sur-names and discusses ANYTHING about other REAL people WITHOUT permission is exposing and exploiting those people. The ONLY way that Ruth and I can do is to give OUR TRUTH and JUSTICE via writing, to contour, all that Joan has written that is false. On Amazon, we have the right and we do, write reviews, comments and discussion forums. If she can’t handle the truth then she NEEDS to get out of the public arenas. She can’t hide between her BS story line forever; that is WHY she wants to discredit us. We don’t have to discredit her, for she has already done that job very well!

She can’t see that the majority of people that don’t have a VESTED interest in her propaganda agenda can SEE which person is sane or not. Her sense of self-importance is threatened every time I speak ABOUT her involvement in my own adopting! That is why she brings out the ‘my adoptive mother was afraid of my sisters. I am afraid of them. I cannot stop them, either.’ Bullshit! She CAN stop us! ALL she has to do is STOP exploiting us and family with that lying book! Drop it! stop, just stop! If she doesn’t or can’t, well then she HAS TO KEEP HEARING FROM US.

Joan said…Obviously, the older, non-adopted sister (Gert) has to tell the younger, adopted-out sister (me), how to behave. Sorry she dragged into other adoptees, too.

Gert says… This old pathetic line! She has NO RIGHT to interfere with my or anyone else’s PARENTAL RIGHTS. Joan violated me and my family! Oh and look at that pathetic sorry line!

Joan said…Natalie Rose Thank you for understanding. yes, I’ve been at this a very long time. yes, I do posses my OBC, but I do not have the legal right to obtain a copy of it. Gert does not know what she is talking about…if she starts talking about how I interfered in her adoption of her son: this is the real truth: she had a boy and a girl. Her 2nd husband wanted to adopt the 15 year old boy. I said in 1980 that his birth certificate would be changed. They got mad at me and threw me out of their apartment. She is not a birthmother. She is not a foster mother. She is not an adoptive mother, but she will say she is. Twist things to get her way… I’m glad you see how she is. And I do not think I have ever exploited my two families. the book was vetted by an attorney before publication. I have never been sued for libel.

Gert says… How interesting is this…that Joan must say BEFORE I said anything online…(‘if she starts talking about how I interfered in her adoption of her son: this is the real truth’) Joan KNOWS what the truth is and she HAS TO tell her version BEFORE I CAN!

Yep Joan has the truth! She was there when I adopted my son, she was present with the lawyer and the signing of the documents…WRONG! She doesn’t know the TRUTH of anything; she’s got her story and she’s sticking with it!

Both my children were to BE ADOPTED by second husband! BUT, because they were both over the age of 14 they had to GIVE THEIR PERMISSION to be adopted. My daughter did NOT want to be adopted, therefore she wasn’t! I did kick Joan out of my home, AFTER she called me an unfit mother for adopting and NOT caring about the birth certificate! Joan can NOT see that she did anything wrong. When I forbade her contact with my children she called false child abuse upon us.

In adopting one’s OWN blood child, there are three pieces of papers for the birth mother to sign. Joan was NOT THERE.

I AM the birth mother and I had to sign to GIVE AWAY my child into adoption. Then I became the FOSTER MOTHER and signed to TAKE CARE of said child I just gave up. Then I became the ADOPTIVE mother and signed to TAKE CARE of said child whose name was CHANGED.

Joan’s book may have been vetted BUT once the birth family presented DOCUMENTATION the publisher’s lawyers DEEMED that Joan VIOLATED THE CONTRACT. That is why the book was pulled by Trafford Publishers and why she had to SELF publish.

Correct she’s never been sued for anything, because she doesn’t have anything to take from. That is why we WRITE.

Joan said…

Natalie Rose I hope you find peace in your journey as a first mother.

Gert says…Ahh isn’t that sweet?!! Joan offers peace to someone she doesn’t know and yet has NO peace to offer to her victims! Joan is living the life she created for herself.

end

I don’t even know what to say — it’s the same old story – Joan/Doris just lies her ass off.

gertmcqueen 

July 30, 2017 at 1:22 pm

Anyone who DOESN’T know that Joan/Doris lies hasn’t been paying attention or doesn’t care to know or believes what they want to believe, like Joan/Doris herself! We on the other hand, who first hand what the truth is and HOW she lies! Joan believes her own BULLSHIT and that is WHY she is a loser, personally and as a activist for adoption reform…NO ONE takes her seriously, she is totally INEFFECTUAL and everyone knows that except her and her friends.

1 of 2; Op-ed article, by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel, gets insider attention from Gert McQueen! Part one of two

There’s always another side of any story!

DISCLAIMER…Whenever one writes a public article, on any Internet site, and/or comments on a public article, or writes a comment on a PUBLIC Facebook account that is plainly labeled as a PUBLIC post, there is NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. That being said, the commentators on this, on-line Buffalo News story, have given their ‘right’ to privacy away and publishing their names here, on a public blog, is PART and PARCEL of the News story.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/07/14/another-voice-cuomo-must-veto-flawed-adoptee-bill/

“Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.”

― Native American Proverb

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones, particularly Joan/Doris! Her past deeds and words will ALWAYS follow her, regardless whether or not any of her friends care to acknowledge that, MANY OTHERS read the same news stories and have minds of their own to determine whether or not Joan/Doris is what she says she is!

Be sure to see part two here… 2 of 2; Op-ed article, by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel, gets insider attention from Gert McQueen! Part two of two.

The following is all self-explanatory. Most of the comments are dated from July 14 to July 16, 2017, but do check the following link to see all the comments and their dates.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/07/14/another-voice-cuomo-must-veto-flawed-adoptee-bill/

Another Voice: Cuomo must veto flawed adoptee bill

By Another Voice | Published July 14, 2017 | Updated July 14, 2017

By Doris Michol Sippel

Even though I legally reclaimed my name of birth, New York State sealed my birth certificate and won’t give it back. Since 1935, birth certificates of adopted people in New York State are revoked, sealed and replaced.

Legislation to allow access to sealed records recently passed the Assembly and Senate. But adoptees are asking Gov. Andrew Cuomo to veto the “Adoptee Bill of Rights.” That’s because amendments will allow parents who signed away their parental rights to redact their names from the sealed record, or prevent the release altogether. Legislators believe identities of unmarried mothers must be protected. But no promise of confidentiality was ever made.

Signed relinquishment removes all parental rights. Whether signed willingly, under duress or terminated involuntarily, parental rights to the child are removed, but the child’s right to the birth certificate remains. After relinquishment, if the child is never adopted and ages out of foster care, that person maintains the birth certificate for life – without the relinquishing parents’ consent or power to redact their names. Therefore, concern over adoptees discovering the identities of their mothers and fathers is pointless.

A child’s name and parents’ names are removed from the official birth record only upon adoption. The child is renamed on the new “birth” certificate and the names of the legal parents replace the names of natural parents. Once adopted, the children lose the right to their own birth certificate.

The amended Adoptee Bill of Rights would give all parents who signed away their parental rights decades ago the new right to redact their names on their adopted-out daughter or son’s birth certificate, or prevent the document’s release. These are powers that other parents do not have. No parent has the right to redact his or her name from a child’s birth certificate. All children become autonomous adults at the age of majority. Adoptees cease to be under natural parent control when the surrender agreement is signed. Adoptees gain the right to be autonomous adults when we reach the age of majority; our adoptive parents are relieved of their parental rights when we become legal adults.

The law would force adoptees, via state confidential intermediaries, to seek permission from their natural parents to obtain a copy of their sealed birth certificate. Adoptees who were removed from abusive parents will be forced to abide by parental authority from the very parents whose rights were involuntarily terminated. The final decision will be made by a judge whether or not adoptees can have that sealed document.

The governor must veto this bill, then advance simpler access legislation: the “New York Bill of Adoptee Rights.” Repealing the 1935 sealed records law, however, would completely restore adoptees’ civil rights to birth certificates by mandating reality-based documentation of birth. Equality under the law to non-adopted people is the goal.

Doris Michol Sippel, formerly known as Joan Wheeler, is the author of “Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity.”

NOW THE COMMENTS…

Misti Stilipec

In the post 9/11 world, why is any government agency refusing to hand over legit identification documents to any citizen? Let me remind you that it is a felony to fly under an assumed name. What’s sad is that the Obama birthers have been ridiculed, but they are absolutley correct: If Obama was an adoptee, then he could have been born outside the US and lied to about it. It is possible an adoptee was born outside the US and doesn’t know that he is lying to say he was born in the US. It is possible for an adoptee to want to grow up and become president and not be able to show his OBC even if he wanted to. For matters of national security, it only begs the question why judges, congress members and adoption groups are so keen in hiding birth certificates and why their lobby has become stronger than our government’s need for transparency and security.

We also know that human trafficking does happen. There is no way to establish that any of these children coming into the US are actually orphans and were not trafficked when there is such a veil of secrecy sorrounding adoption documents. Once again the adoption lobby has made itself more powerful that our government’s ability to fight international crime. Be sure to continue to blame Mexico for undocumented immigrants without ever asking or receiving a number for officially how many children enter the US each year due to adoption, adoption related crime and human trafficking. Please remember the ability for any police agency to fight trafficking depends on their ability to accurately determine if a child was legally adopted or if the human trafficker obtained fraudulent documents. We all know if asked, a sex trafficker is going to tell you that the child was born to them or else legally adopted. The standard police officer on the street is not equipped to determine if a pedophile is lying about a child in his home with fraudulent documents in his hands. For national security and humanitarian reasons, there needs to be transparency in adoption.

We also know that anti-abortion foes say that the fetus deserves to live a “life like ours.” They also claim that they are speaking for “those who have no voice.” Here are the children that were not aborted. Please notice that they are adults and are speaking and yet too many Congressmembers are turning a blind eye and deaf ear. And yet the press largely does not cover this issue, and when they do, they quote adoption lawyers who make adoption law, and not the children who have no say in those laws. Therefore, adoption law is non-representational government as the adoptees have no say in the law when they were born, and they are not beling allowed as adults to reform the law for the future. If you want these fetuses to have a voice then why are you asking them to shut up once they become adults? In order to have a life like ours, their full human and civil rights must be honored—otherwise you have only honored their humanity up to the moment they were born, only to tell them that you don’t feel they are human after they were born.

Christians are also misquoting Jeremiah 1:5 in order to fight abortion. The full quote is this: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” According the Bible you quote to claim that God commands abortion is a sin, is also a command from God to see these children as prophets. By turning a blind eye to adult adoptees, per your own arguments about abortion then, this would mean that you are ignoring the command of God by refusing to listen to what they have to say.

Doris Michol Sippel

You raise excellent points. Thank you for commenting. We can only hope that our words reach those in power. And perhaps your words will also help to educate, to change the minds of those you address.
Adoptees are ignored by society, very true.

There is only one point that I can add something to: “There is no way to establish that any of these children coming into the US are actually orphans…” It is very imporant to say that even orphans should have the right to their own birth certificates. All orphans were conceived and born to a mother and a father. Just because one of both parents have died does not mean that the orphan should be renamed, issued a new birth certificate which states that this orphan has bee born to strangers who were not invovled in this child’s conception and birth.

This practice of issued new birth certifcates upon adoption must be stopped. Unrestricted access to our sealed birth certificates will give adoptees some ansers, yes, but it will not completely restore our civil rights to our revoked and sealed birth certifcates.

I am a half orphan, by the way, born to a mother who died three months after my birth. That facts of my birth were written as verifyable medical facts through corraborating hosptial records and DNA. There is absolutely no reason why New York State should have revoked and sealed my birth certificate. And no reason to have revoked and sealed hte birth certificates of all other adoptees. This is more than a state problem. This is a USA federal goverment, as you also point out, and a world wide problem. We are the ones speaking out to change the world for the better for an underclass of people.

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna

I was relinquished at birth and then adopted.
Under the US Consitution’s 14th Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause states that certain groups of people cannot be put aside and treated differently under the law than their peers.

This bill being considered by NYS does just that. Any other citizen born in Buffalo, NY can go the the vital statistics office and get their factual birth certificate – the legal record of their birth. Denying that right to me (and other adopted adults) is a violation of our rights guaranteed by the United States of America! Please consider this, Governer Cuomo, before signing this bill and restore our rights and human dignity. Thank you.

Doris Michol Sippel

Yes, this bill violates the 14th Amendment.
More importantly, the laws that were written and passed in 1935 in New York State (and in every state in the USA) that stole our birth certificates also violate the 14th Amendment because all adopted people are, indeed, treated differently that other American citizens. Non-adopted people are not subject to government annulment and falsification of their birth certificates.

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna

Doris Michol Sippel Yes, the govenor. I pray, will veto the bill and ask lawmakers to send through the real equal rights bill introduced without discrimination toward adopted people.
If original families need to fear (us) adopted individuals perhaps we should all be locked up..

Gert Mcqueen

Adoption has been with humanity from our beginnings and it is NOT going away any time soon regardless of those in anti-adoption factions, as this author is. Certainly adoption takes many forms and has many problems; what part of human interactions is without forms and problems.

Certainly, everyone should have their heritage and medical information available to them, but what is the cost…ahh now, that’s what is at the heart of this ‘bill’. I don’t have ‘the answer’ as to how to fix the problems. I can’t think of any institution that man, as in human being, has created to help one another or to solve our social circumstances that is without flaws or that is entered into with flawed thinking or flawed people, think marriage…is it always perfect? That is the nature of humans and our social constructions.

What I find most disturbing about this author’s ‘activism’ and WHY serious thought must be used, by Gov. Cuomo, and others, about this bill is that this author is EXPOSING her adoptive parents, her birth parents, her siblings, her extended family members of both families and presenting FALSE information about them, her adoption, and EXPLOITING THEM as well!

Be it KNOWN that this book, that the author promotes…Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity, is only the THIRD edition of the same falsehoods written by this author AGAINST myself, my family, my PARENTS. This book is NOT about any form of adoption REFORM, will NOT convince anyone including Gov. Cuomo, to changes the laws, but will show the DANGERS that are and can continue to be, to family members who DO NOT want to be exposed or exploited by adoptees who just can’t stand being adopted and CAN’T LET IT GO!
Gov. Cuomo…sign the bill! Don’t allow other families to be exploited!

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum

For those who are reading this – please note that Gert McQueen has a personal vendetta against the OP. This vendetta is unconnected to the present bill. Any attempts to connect the two should be viewed with suspicion.
To address a specific point – adoption has indeed been around for a very long time but it is only recently that the government has taken it upon themselves to officially revise the truth in the form of amended birth records. The fact that such revision is accompanied by laws which prohibit the person whose history has been “revised” from accessing the original document just compounds the injustice. Many adoptees (myself and the OP included) already know the names of their biological parents yet access to the documents that should be ours by right are subject to a judge’s whim and, if this bill is signed by Gov. Cuomo, to the unilateral decision of people who have surrendered or lost all rights with respect to those adoptees.

Gert Mcqueen

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Vendetta! No, truth telling! Are NOT contrary opinions valid, for this issue, whatever the reason for them? Suspicion works both ways! My opinion is connected to this bill! The very FACT that the author KNOWS her history is NO reason for exposing and exploiting her families, particularly with falsehoods…but then that IS MY POINT and YOURS! REVISIONIST HISTORY.

Amended birth certificates are NOT the only REVISION that occurs, now is it! That is what I’m saying, just because the author says something does not make it true! There are people out there that do NOT want their HISTORIES revised by their children!

Grace Del Real  Gert Mcqueen, what does any of that have to do with this bill. I don’t know anything about you or the op, but just because there is drama in your family doesn’t give you the right to use that drama to justify the continuation of the denial of adoptees of their rights.
The majority of adoptions today are open because research has shown it is best practice to ensure that adoptees know their history, their background, and most importantly, their extended family. As far as the argument that access to our obc will lead to adoptees showing up on the doorstep of our birth parents and causing disruption, we don’t need our obc for that. We are already showing up on the doorstep. Consumer based DNA tests have forever blown the whole shame based, secret based closed adoption paradigm out of the water forever. This is about equal access to our records. This is about recognizing adult adoptees as adults, not infants needing protection. If our birth parents suffer from shame because of our births, the best step should be to seek professional help, because with or without our records, if the child you gave up wants to find you, chances are good they will.

Gert Mcqueen

Grace Del Real Drama! No such thing! Just reality. Whether an adoptee knows or doesn’t know their parents and family, they do NOT have the right to expose and exploit their parents and family, after the fact. That is what I’m objecting to. If I knew, in 1974, that, that adoptee would destroy MY parents, my family etc. I would never have FOUND HER! No one knows what you will find behind that door!

Certainly NOT all adoptees do that, but this author of this article DOES and that is enough reason for me to OBJECT to this bill. The Governor should SIGN the bill as is, to PROTECT families from being exploited by children like this author, who hate adoption. If you don’t like that, take it up with the author and what she writes against family. HONOR THY MOTHER AND THY FATHER.
I am in favor of open medical records for medical reason if you can’t accept my position that’s too bad I have a RIGHT to my position/opinion!

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Gert Mcqueen. Amended birth certificates ARE THE revision.
Birth records are just that, a record surrounding the facts.
Adopted adults did not consent to the revision.

Gert Mcqueen

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Just like you, I did NOT make the laws. They are what they are! The act of adopting CHANGES parenthood from birth parents to adoptive parents…that’s the way it works. Those rules are there for many reasons, whether you or I like them! I adopted my son, who gave his permission to be adopted. In my state, at age 14 a child gives their PERMISSION to be adopted. My son DID want his name/parentage CHANGED! His amended birth certificate was CORRECT, for him! NO ADOPTION IS THE SAME.

No child ‘consented’ to a revision! Of course not, they are children, they cannot consent. Of course they grow up and become adults and YES, these laws OUGHT to be adjusted to reflect ADULT adoptees; such as giving OUT HEALTH CONDITIONS. But…NOT all parents want their names etc KNOWN to those children that were placed into adoption for ANY REASON. That’s what I and many others object to having BIRTH PARENTS on adoptee birth certificates, because SOME adoptees expose and exploit the birth parents! Fact!
The author of this OP states that ‘dead people can’t sue and neither can their heirs’! Is that true? I don’t know but I do KNOW that my family, MY PARENTS have been expose, exploited and maligned by this OP and this is something that Gov Cuomo needs to hear.

Liz Prato

My biological parents are both from Buffalo. My bio-mother was sent away to another state to give birth and relinquish me for adoption. I spent my whole life wondering who my descendants are. Who I look like, act like, who “my people” are. If you doubt how powerful and necessary this information is, look at the explosion of geneology softwear like Ancestry, and DNA test kits like 23 & Me. Humans have a fundemental need to know where they come from. It wasn’t until I was 47 that the state I was born in opened adpotion records to adult adoptees. When I saw the name of my biological parents, something wild and free-floating finally settled inside me. Unfortunately, when I made attemtps to contact them–only out of a desire to know where I come from–they both rejected me. My bio-father even leavied legal threats at me–as if I had done something deeply wrong in wanting to know my roots. I wonder: if they lived in a state that gave equal rights to adoptees, might they be more likely to see me as a human, equally deserving of the same knowledge and dignity as anyone else? The fact that New York treats adopttees like second class citizens reinforces that we are less important, less human, than our non-adopted counterparts.

Gert Mcqueen

Liz Here’s some basic FACTS OF LIFE…stuff happens! No one, NO ONE, gets to pick whom they are born to or what their life is! A person is born, stuff happens, you live, you die, that’s it! Social mores come and go and change, what happened in the past may or may not be fair, right or just, but that is what it IS. Same as TODAY, NOTHING is fair and right for EVERYONE…it may be good for you and bad for another…NEVER is it fair FOR ALL. Deal with it!

Yes you should have your history, your ancestry, your medical records and EVEN your parentage! BUT…perhaps PARENTS and SOCIETY don’t agree with you! You make MY CASE! Not every parent wants to know about their children, even those that are ON THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

There are REASONS WHY adoption records are the way they are! Do I agree with that? NO! But I can certainly UNDERSTAND why the records are SEALED AND SECRET! Not all people are sane, caring, thoughtful and just. My family has been on the receiving end of exposure and exploitation and falsehoods, by an adoptee whom will stop at NOTHING to get a piece of paper that she ALL READY OWNS.

One of main reasons that adoptees are not making progress in getting what they want is BECAUSE of the words and deeds of JUST A FEW misguided adoptees that have CAUSED GREAT HARM TO THEIR FAMILIES. Think about that!

Emm Paul   Gert Mcqueen you have very little understanding of the history or law regarding adoption.
You have stalked the author all over the Internet for years. I think there is some seriously wrong with you if you advocate denying adoptees equality just to spite your sister.

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna

Anyone who disturbs other people’s lives should be handled by the court of law – if they have been adopted or not.
Your case assumes that all adopted people are insensitive and rude and wish to go around disrupting others lives.
That is practically the definition of prejudice. Forming your view of an entire group of people due to the actions of a few you have experienced.

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum  For those who don’t know the story – this was not a case of the adoptee contacting the family. The family, her sisters, found and contacted her. Then the relationship went south and this ^^^ is the result.

Gert Mcqueen

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum The author condemned me for adopting my own son and then violated my parental rights by interfering with my minor children, because I would NOT listen to her about the birth certificate; that is when the ‘relationship’ ended in 1980. Each member of the birth family has also ended relationships with the author due to her continued interfering and then writing falsehood and misrepresentations. People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones.

Emm Paul  Gert Mcqueen Yet you continue to stalk her all over the Internet. She’s writing about flawed legislation, which, as an advocate, she knows something about. It affects the equal rights of multiple thousands of adults adopted in New York. You, on the other hand, who are not adopted, have decided to make this all about you and only about you.

Gert Mcqueen

Emm Paul I read on the Internet like millions of others! It is her exposing and exploiting of my family in print all over the Internet and in books, it’s not about me, it’s about families being exposed and exploited by adoptees!

Emm Paul

Gert Mcqueen I suspect you don’t care about other families.
And if you wanted her to write kindly about you, perhaps you should have behaved better.
None of this has anything to do with the equal rights of adoptees.

Gert Mcqueen

Emm Paul Ahh oh wise one! Doing onto to me as you have condemned me for doing! You are right, I only care about MY FAMILY, myself, my children, my parents, my siblings, including Joan/Doris. You are again right and correct…I should have behaved better…I should have allowed her to continue to take more from me and my children BEFORE I pulled the plug telling her to take a hike! I should have believed that I was an unfit mother as SHE WHO KNOWS ALL told me I was because I ADOPTED and didn’t give a crap about a FALSE BIRTH CERTIFICATE and allowed her to continue to go behind my back and poison my children. Yes I was wrong, I should have behaved better and allowed SHE WHO KNOWS BEST FOR ALL PARENTS WHO ADOPT to have her will with my children.
And yes, I should NOT be concerned about any of the PAP (potential adoption parents) or any other individuals that CHOOSES to adopt in any matter when SHE WHO IS SO INFORMED ABOUT ADOPTION RIGHTS EQUAL OR UNEQUAL speaks against any form of adoption. Yes oh wise one! You have set me straight…thank you!

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Doris M Sippel/Joan M Wheeler doesn’t care about ethics! She just exposes & exploits two families with her hate!

Are there ethics when writing a ‘memoir’? How does someone exam their own reasons for exposing ‘all’ and how do they know their reasons are sound? What do the experts say?

I’ve read many authors and writing experts on tips for writing, in general and memoirs in particular and for the most part they all present solid reasons and tips. Many memoir writers don’t care about what the experts say, or anyone for that matter, because they are only interested in continuing on with their own HATE agendas.

Seen on Twitter…

Linda Joy Myers Ph.D ‏@MemoirGuru  24 Dec 2016

When you put real people in your memoir, even if the portraits are positive, it’s good form to notify them. http://bit.ly/2dGEsnl  #memoir

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So I clicked on the link provided and got an error message.

http://namw.org/2010/08/secrets-and-tips-write-a-powerful-memoir/

But the post can be seen on these following links

http://namw.org/blog/

http://namw.org/author/linda/page/91/

Here now is the article, followed by a few thoughts of my own and links to blogs, Facebook page, discussions on Amazon, about Joan/Doris’s book.

Secrets and Tips: Write a Powerful Memoir

Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:03 Written by Linda Joy Myers 0 Comments

The release of The Power of Memoir–How to Write Your Healing Story has given me the opportunity to answer questions about memoir writing, from truth to secrets, from families who support the writer to families who threaten to sue if the memoirist tells “the truth.” I’m posting some of the questions every few days to help memoir writers caught in the dilemma between truth, memoir, family, and fiction.

Many writers are torn between the desire to tell the truth and the internal/external pressure to keep family secrets. What do you recommend they do?

It’s important first for the writer to get her story on the page, to write her own truth. Each person has a point of view and his own story that no one else can tell, so he needs to claim it and discover its wisdom by writing about it. This process creates a new perspective that brings forth layers of memories and insights. Exposing these layers is part of the healing process.

And there’s the hot topic in all my workshops: secrets. Secrets are energy magnets. The force it takes to keep secrets hidden is energy that could be used for growth and creativity. So often though, the shame and guilt associated with secrets keep feeding the darkness and the fear. Secrets maintain a great power over us, and we are diminished by them. We become co-conspirators to family dynamics that we don’t agree with and want to break away from. So we get caught in a conflict—to speak or not to speak? Do we remain closed and complicit, or open up and take the risk of losing friends and family, of being ousted from the family, or shamed once again into submission? These are choices that we need to make consciously and with care.

I tell my students to be open to writing two versions of the story: first, write for yourself, to clear out your emotional closet and sort the events that are jumbled up in your mind. Research has shown that writing the unadorned truth is powerful and creates changes in the brain—in other words: it’s healing.

When you put real people in your book, especially if they are identifiable, they should be notified. Even if all the portraits are positive, we’re exposing a real person to the eyes of the world. The convention is to have people read the sections they appear in, if you are on speaking terms. If not, change the names and identifying characteristics, even if that means changing names for the character, the streets, town and anything that exposes them. If published, the legal branch of the publishing company can vet the manuscript as well, but since so many memoirs are self-published, I think it’s important for people to keep these ethics in mind.

Putting the publishing concerns aside for a moment, I think the writer first needs to listen to the voice within, the true author of the story–yourself. Write what you have to say as if no one will read it–you can review it later. You will be different from the writer who began the story. Writing the story will transform you, heal you, and give you a feeling of empowerment.
Be brave–write your story!

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My comments…

Joan/Doris NEVER informed the majority of people whom she writes about. From the beginning she used the FAMILY name and offers many identifying information about everyone. I, my husband and children, were never informed. Nor were others in the families, both birth and adopted.

She indicates that our father saw a draft. Well that particular incident has been rewritten several times, by Joan, after the TRUTH of that episode was brought out, via my own and my sister Ruth’s blogs. Joan rewriting things to cover up a truth is NOT a memoir nor is it ETHICAL nor healing! What it is, is, the proof that she can NOT allow others to tell a different version than her own! That brings in the question of ethics; just why does she write a memoir and rewrite it over and over again? Answer…because she is mentally ill and narcissistic.

Joan/Doris surrounds herself and finds various types of people that will AGREE with her NEED to heal by writing her story, even when it’s been proven to be false. Two of her ‘friends’ wrote positive reviews on Joan’s THIRD edition, AFTER negative reviews were written. They said that updating is a form of healing! What utter bullshit!

Personally I feel that if someone ‘needs’ to write their story to HEAL then they ought NOT TO PUBLISH it! One’s healing is another’s pain! Generally speaking one should journal their feelings in a private fashion BEFORE publishing anything. Then, that raw emotional stuff NEEDS to be filtered with compassion and love BEFORE ever publishing. If the writer is UNABLE to use compassion and love, for the HURT that would/will be inflicted upon those that they DID NOT INFORM beforehand…the writer is guilty of inflicted great harm via unethical methods!

The use of saying its ‘personal healing’ to demean and hurt others is NOT HEALING. Joan/Doris’s use of ‘tit for tat’ is NOT about healing but about HATE.

Now let’s look again at what  Linda Joy Myers  says in the above…

‘When you put real people in your book, especially if they are identifiable, they should be notified. Even if all the portraits are positive, we’re exposing a real person to the eyes of the world. The convention is to have people read the sections they appear in, if you are on speaking terms. If not, change the names and identifying characteristics, even if that means changing names for the character, the streets, town and anything that exposes them. If published, the legal branch of the publishing company can vet the manuscript as well, but since so many memoirs are self-published, I think it’s important for people to keep these ethics in mind.’

Recapping… Real people were NOT notified, changing name etc was NOT done completely because of the use of the real FAMILY NAMES. The first book Joan had published, she LIED to the publisher by stating all was truth. But when they received evidence from family, they PULLED the book citing that Joan VIOLATED their contract. And so the 2nd and 3rd, editions being SELF-PUBLISHED, the family members are held hostages to Joan/Doris’s versions of OUR LIVES. She does NOT care about ethics!

This is how Joan/Doris feels about ethics, directly from her self-published editions.

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For more information and links where a reader will find the TRUTH…

Here are links to my second blog and a Facebook page wherein I expose AGAIN the lies, fabrications and hate that Joan M Wheeler (Doris Michol Sippel) says about me and family. The first book Forbidden Family, A Half Orphan’s Account of Her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism‘ was published in 2009 but then was pulled from publication by the publisher in May 2011, for libelous material within the book. Then in 2015, she ‘self-published’ a ‘revised’ version calling it ‘Forbidden Family, an adoptee duped by adoption’. This woman has no shame no sense of family honor! Then in 2016 Joan changed her name back to her birth name and rewrote and republished the SAME crap in another book; a Third edition! CALLED ‘Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity’! Talk about conning people!

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/   this blog is titled Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

this blog’s title/sub title is… DUPED BY ADOPTION & AN WOMAN’S STRUGGLE FOR IDENTITY, A BOOK STUDY an in-depth analyzes of the books called Forbidden Family; My Life as an Adoptee Duped by adoption & An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel.

Also see this Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoptionStruggleforIdentity1/

In addition…see the ‘discussion’ forums, on Amazon, for two of the books. The first book has one review and several comments related.

Forbidden Family: My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption forum

https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Family-Adoptee-Duped-Adoption/forum/Fx16ZHWP5PQHHCK/-/1/ref=cm_cd_fp_rvt?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00X520CGW

https://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/forum.html/ref=cm_cd_rvt?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3T0YAD0KXNPP5

review of first book and 4 comments

https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Family-Joan-M-Wheeler/dp/1412061547

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An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Fred Tomasello Jr Review #4 on Doris M Sippel’s replay/act 3 of her ‘memoir’!

It’s amazing how some people believe in their own self-importance!

An exchange on FB…

Fred Tomasello Jr. January 10 at 4:25pm ·

We just saw “Lion.” Doris Michol Sippel, this movie validates your book about the bond between adopted children and their parents so strongly I suspect you may have collaborated on the screenplay. Beautiful, sad, powerful and somewhat of a happy ending.

Doris Michol Sippel Thank you Fred Tomasello Jr.  I saw this movie on my birthday with my daughter. Yes, I think this is the best adoption movie I have ever seen. I wish I had collaborated on the screenplay! But no, I didn’t. yews, this movie validates what adoptees have been saying for decades.

Fred Tomasello Jr. Here is a link to the book and my review: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1…

Doris Michol Sippel Thank you Fred Tomasello Jr.!

Well isn’t that sweet! A mutual admiration! Does show us that Joan/Doris still fancies her ‘story’ worthy of a movie and has convinced others of same! So sad, that there are people that can NOT see the junk within the pages of this garbage book and see nothing wrong with exposing and exploiting two families!

Here now is number 4 on the hit parade!

A Case for Truth and Accuracy, January 11, 2017

By Fred Tomasello Jr.   This review is from: Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity (Kindle Edition)

This book has been updated by the author, has a new cover and the author’s name is now accurate. For most of us, discovering one’s past is a lot of fun and is taken for granted but for an adopted child, this search presents a difficult challenge. The bond between a child and their biological parents is never broken and Doris Michol Sippel’s search for truth has not been easy.

If a birth certificate lists only the adoptive parents as mother and father, how does one find their biological parents and reunite with the rest of their family? Every case is different and Doris details how she found her truth.

“Nobody thought about it. We just wanted a child.” The “it” is adoption. These are the words Joan Wheeler’s adoptive mother told her years later and they equal the preconceived ideas millions of us have about adoption.

A phone call at age 18 started the “reunion” and carries the reader on an emotional roller-coaster lasting decades. The raw, descriptive language connects as secrets and family nuances are revealed, Every page is riveting and the candid details are gut-wrenching. Years of discovery, rejection, introspection, research, maturity and courage merge in Doris’s memoir to become a laser light focused on the importance of truth.

Doesn’t everyone want to know their father, mother, brothers and sisters? The desire to find family never goes away and attempts to do so are often met with accusations of ingratitude. While undergoing years of severe emotional stress, I am amazed that the author was able to write cogently about her families making a strong case for accuracy and truthfulness starting with the birth certificate and for staying in contact with one’s family. An exciting and riveting read, this book is well ahead of it’s time and deeply enhances my understanding of adoption.

Here is the permalink

https://www.amazon.com/review/R4CP8UCC84WZG/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?ie=UTF8&asin=B01M1SPJMY&cdForum=Fx17N73TJN9CLRN&cdMsgID=MxO6J3AZH8LYAK&cdMsgNo=1&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=TxXUUZP11XL8CJ&store=digital-text#MxO6J3AZH8LYAK

My comment…Jan 12, 2017 gert mcqueen says:

If you want truth, it’s not here

Since I first saw this review the reviewer has edited the first draft of his review, fixing certain mistakes and recycling sentences from his original review of the second incarnation of this piece of garbage! Nothing much new can be said about the book now is there?

The author should have informed the buying public of her CHANGE of name before presenting a revision that LOOKS LIKE a NEW book. The author’s name WAS correct and accurate as an adoptee. Changing her name legally back to her birth name, is her right, but does NOT change accuracy but leads to confusion for she is NOT on any family tree of the birth family.

Most of this book, told now three times, is about OTHER people, based on biases of and misrepresentations by the author, for the sole purpose to promote a political agenda; reform of birth certificates. Birth and adopted parents and families should not have their ENTIRE lives exposed, exploited and misrepresented by someone who is discontented with the life they have.

This reviewer’s position, that this book is ‘a strong case for accuracy and truthfulness’ obviously shows that he hasn’t objectively used the art of ‘critical thinking’ while reading and/or comparing the opinions and words of others in their reviews, comments, discussions, not only in this book but the last two versions.

For the author and friends who seem to think that the tragedies that happened to two families will change the course of adoption reform and is riveting and exciting, is not only laughable but shows signs of delusions of grandeur and self-absorption. No one in the great wide world gives a hoot about what this author think or believes. Actually, the overwhelming majority of opinions on this author are quite negative. But hey, if you can’t deal with reality, then by all means, make things up to fit your fantasy; knock yourselves out.

In the meanwhile here are links, on Amazon, that will help others to see what is within the pages of this book.

Forbidden Family: My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption forum
https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Family-Adoptee-Duped-Adoption/forum/Fx16ZHWP5PQHHCK/-/1/ref=cm_cd_fp_rvt?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00X520CGW

Joan Mary Wheeler forum
https://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/forum.html/ref=cm_cd_rvt?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3T0YAD0KXNPP5
And here is the link to the FIRST book, it has one review and 4 comments

Forbidden Family
Forbidden Family

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Ruth’s comment Posted on Jan 12, 2017 Ruth Pace says:

“I am amazed that the author was able to write cogently about her families making a strong case for accuracy and truthfulness ”

Accuracy and truthfulness – the author makes a strong case for them — when it pertains to only her. Everybody else’s life is NOT worthy of accuracy and truthfulness.

However, I have posted on my blog, scans of actual police and court documents that prove that the author lies about me in this book. Copies of those documents were sent to Trafford Publications, which had published the first edition of the book – the documents clearly showed libel and Trafford pulled the book from publication. Those inaccuracies and UNtruthfulness (aka LIES) are still in later editions of this book.

The reviewer also writes “An exciting and riveting read, this book is well ahead of it’s time and deeply enhances my understanding of adoption.” — I would like to ask HOW — when almost 50% of the book is about ‘Brenda’ – (me) – every other page is Brenda this, and Brenda that. Is this a book about Joan/Doris’ adoption or is it about the life of Brenda? My marriages are discussed, my miscarriage is mocked (the author states it was good thing because I apparently spent more time on collecting horror movies than I would have paid attention to a child) – that is a judgement call on somebody else’s life, and has nothing to do with anybody’s adoption. Let’s see, what else – oh yes, Joan/Doris describes my belly dancing – again – MY life is all over this book – sorry, I was NOT adopted, therefore, WHY is MY life all over the pages? So yes, I object to this book, and my review is that it is NOT a book about adoption per se, but about an ‘adult’ adoptee’s anger over her adoption and lashing out her birthsiblings (me in particular) and anybody else who ever got on her bad side by disagreeing with her.

But yeah, hey – if Joan/Doris wants to get the word out about ME and make ME famous — HA! come visit me at my facebook under Ruth Herr Sippel Pace – and see my belly dancing pictures.

Posted on Jan 13, 2017 Ruth Pace says:

This book is nothing but the lunatic ravings of a person who is full of anger and hatred over her adoption.

This reviewer suggests that the book makes for a strong case for accuracy and truthfulness – But he fails to see a falsehood committed by the author. The reveiwer says the writer was able to write cogently about her families. Cogently means appealing forcibly to the mind or reason.
I would like that reviewer to apply that to the passage in which the author describes my father telling her (after the author was reunited with her birthfamily) of her mother’s death. The author describes my mothers body at the time of death – that the bandages holding all the rotted insides of her split and the cancer dripped out of her vagina. WHAT?

Any person with congitive awareness would see that as a bunch of nonsense.

Does anyone really believe that at the time of death, a patient’s bandages fall apart and the body’s cancer falls out onto the bed? And cancer drips out of the vagina? Somehow, I don’t think my father spread his newly dead wife’s legs apart to see that.

I have worked 43 years as a nurse’s aide in a major metropolitan hospital and have witnessed many deaths, even to the point of holding a patient’s hands while they died. (cancer patients too). AND I have performed post mortem care on their newly dead bodies. This is cleaning up the body and sending them to the hospital’s morgue. Now, yes, at the time of death muscles do relax, SOMETIMES the bladder and rectum releases substances, and yes, SOMETIMES there has been some drainage from a female’s perineum area.

But I point out again – MY FATHER WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THAT. And at the time of her death, Joan/Doris was only 3 months old. really. come on.

AND bandages do not fall apart at the moment of death. In 43 years, I have never seen that. If a dressing over a patient’s wound had split open, it must have been a bolt of lightning. Did the author think the guaze bandages were split like the curtains in the temples when Jesus died on the cross? Or was there an alien come busting out of the body at the time of her death? Come on people – get real!

But this is how Joan/Doris honors the woman who gave her life – writing such nonsense.
Only a deranged person would write that nonsense and only an equally deranged person would think that passage constitutes maturity and courage (as he says about the author in the fourth paragraph in his ‘review’ of a garbage book written by a personal friend of his.
I apologize for the graphic content of this comment – but it needed to be brought out into the open exactly what garbage is in this “truthful’ book.

gert mcqueen says: Jan 13, 2017

 WHY apologize? for the graphic content of YOUR comment, the author wrote it, published it and she wants everyone to KNOW her state of mind! This author writes for drama!!! that’s DRAMA!!! The entire book is written for and from the author’s mind of what might have happened, what the textbooks say can happen etc etc…the things she writes about me…NEVER happened, she USED me to present her anti-adoption position. This book is garbage!

Comment Posted on Jan 21, 2017 Ruth Pace says:

On January 11 2017, one of Joan/Doris’ friends, Fred Tomasello Jr, wrote a review, and then on January 14, 2017, another one of Joan/Doris’ friends, Michael Euler also published a review. Fred repeated his previous review of the version “Forbidden Family Duped by Adoption” but added a new paragraph in the beginning. He starts with this sentence: “This book has been updated by the author, has a new cover and the author’s name is now accurate.”
Michael Euler’s first sentance says just about the same thing: “The author of Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity has recently changed her name from Joan Wheeler to Doris Michol Sippel reclaiming her birth name, bringing additional healing to the ongoing process she continues to experience. The new book cover and updating of the book is also part of the process of truth telling.”

I only wish to address these two sentences, both expressing the need for TRUTH and ACCURACY. I, also am for TRUTH AND ACCURACY, and that’s what I said in my review in September 2016 when I showed that Joan/Doris was playing the classic bait and switch with amazon customers? WHERE WAS THE TRUTH AND ACCURACY FOR POTENTIAL BOOK BUYERS?

Fred and Michael are championing for TRUTH and ACCURACY – but only when it comes to ADOPTEES. And that’s NOT the issue here.The issue is Joan/Doris did NOT make it clear to the buying public that “Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity” is essentially the same book/product as the book/product called “Forbidden Family Duped by Adoption” — further, there was NO explanation that Doris Michol Sippel was formerly known as Joan Mary Wheeler.

Joan Mary Wheeler legally changing her name to her birth name of Doris Michol Sippel may reflect TRUTH AND ACCURACY for adoptees/adoption issues/adoption reform, but it is NOT TRUTH AND ACCURACY FOR THE BUYING PUBLIC. Fred and Michael need to learn more about consumerism, false advertising, bait and switch, and other scams. And while I have your attention, I have come to see that for many adoptees, TRUTH and ACCURACY applies ONLY to them – the rest of us can have lies told about us, and that’s just fine with them.

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Now, let’s recall what Fred said here..

https://www.amazon.com/review/R3OAN2PTB3OSW9/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00X520CGW

My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption

By Fred Tomasello Jr. on June 19, 2015

Format: Kindle Edition Verified Purchase

“Nobody thought about it. We just wanted a child.” The “it” is adoption. These are the words Joan Wheeler’s adoptive mother related to her years later and they equal the preconceived ideas about adoption held by me and millions of others.

A phone call at age 18 starts the “reunion” and carries the reader on an emotional roller-coaster that continues for decades. The raw, descriptive language connects as secrets and family nuances are revealed. Every page is riveting and the candid details are gut wrenching. Long years of discovery, rejection, introspection, research, maturity and courage merge Joan’s memoir into a laser light focusing on the pure importance of truth.

While undergoing years of severe emotional stress, I am amazed that Ms. Wheeler was miraculously able to write cogently about her families. Her clarity and conclusions enhanced my understanding of adoption. As Joan’s natural father admitted years later, “But if I had education, none of this would have happened.”

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Obviously, this ‘true’ (wink, wink, sneaker, sneaker, yeah right) book is NOT being read by anyone in the main stream, not even within the adoption reform communities! I keep saying…Joan/Doris is NOT WELCOMED.

also see…

https://ruthsippelpace.wordpress.com/2017/01/21/joan-mary-wheeler-aka-doris-michol-sippel-gets-two-of-her-clueless-friends-to-put-new-reviews-of-her-book-on-amazon/

and the first blog post about the first three reviews…

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/theres-not-one-positive-review-or-comment-reviews-1-2-3-on-doris-m-sippels-new-book-an-adopted-womans-struggle-for-identity/

and another friend’s review

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/an-adopted-womans-struggle-for-identity-by-m-euler-review-5-on-doris-m-sippels-replayact-3-of-her-memoir/

 

What REALLY is the motive of Joan M Wheeler taking her birth name of Doris M Sippel? Was it THOUGHT OUT or is there a MOTIVE?

If an adoptee changes their name, legally, back to the birth name, what is the motive/reason?

Is it really a good thing to ‘take back’ their birth name? What about others in that birth family whom NOW have to deal with this ‘new’ addition to their family tree/name? How do GENERATIONS, current and in the future, DEAL with this ‘interloper’ who ‘takes’ the family name, after adoption? How about general CONFUSIONS? Make no mistake confusions and more can happen when some takes and claims a NAME that others in a family KNOW nothing about!

She may be able to legally change her name back to her birth family name, but that does NOT give her any standing in the birth family. In fact it causes confusion and more, for generations to come. Doris M Sippel was born in 1956, adopted and became Joan M Wheeler. Regardless of the fact that she was ‘found’ in 1974, there STILL are, and in years to come, many in the birth family that either don’t want her in the family or haven’t a CLUE who she is!

Personally I call into questions Joan/Doris’s MOTIVES for doing so. She doesn’t hide her true emotions about how the birth family has treated her. How perfect for her to ‘do it to them’ by taking the birth family name! Yep, she just wants to get even because her ‘identity’ was taken from her. Forget the fact that the LAW is the LAW.

And the ‘confusion’ has only began…

I was shown a comment that was left on Joan/Doris’s Facebook page. After thinking about it I decided to email the gentleman. The following speaks for itself.

Here’s the comment I saw…

George Berben Hello Mrs Sippel, just asking, which book do you mean on the FB site of René Hoksbergen? The book with the picture of the book ( kind van de rekening) or the book wrote by René which I named in my collumn(“Kinderen die niet konden blijven. Zestig jaar adoptie in beeld” ?) If you ask for “Kind van de rekening, een verboden bestaan”you can also reply to me! bema@home.nl Thanks! Sorry if my English is too bad or I misunderstand your request. kind regardsGeorge.  November 3 at 3:15pm  http://henryne.wixsite.com/kindvanderekening     bema@home.nl

 

Here is the email exchange that we had…

 

Hello George Berben

I am writing to you because I saw a comment you wrote to Doris M Sippel.

As an introduction to you. I am Gert McQueen, eldest birth sibling of Doris M Sippel.

Sippel is our FAMILY name. Doris was adopted out when our mother died in 1956. Her adopted name is Joan M Wheeler. She only recently, in June, legally changed her name back to her birth name. She is NOT a MRS. ‘Mrs Sippel’ was our grandmother, then our mother and then 2 step mothers and our brother’s wife and his son’s wife etc etc.

Doris M Sippel or Joan M Wheeler (one and the same person) is NOT welcomed nor acknowledged in the birth family for her negative behaviors toward everyone, during reunion, and afterwards for writing a book of lies about both birth and adopted families, not once but three times.

Sometime in the 1980s she wrote a piece called ‘the Secret is Out’ and it was published in some journal in the Netherlands. In that article she gave ‘real’ names to our personal identities. That publication and other intrigues, with René Hoksbergen, caused great distress to some in our family and Rene involved himself in our family’s affairs; bad form! Then when Joan/Doris was ‘writing’ her memoir, unknown to the family, René Hoksbergen wrote a ‘forward’ for the book; that was in 2006.

Her first book Forbidden Family, A Half Orphan’s Account of Her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism‘ was published in 2009 but then was pulled from publication by the publisher in May 2011, for libelous material within the book. Joan had violated the contract. Rene’s ‘forward’ was published in this edition with date of 2006.

Then in 2015, she ‘self-published’ a ‘revised’ version calling it ‘Forbidden Family, an adoptee duped by adoption’. Rene’s ‘forward’ was ‘altered’ and reprinted with the date of June 2015.

Then in 2016 Joan changed her name back to her birth name and rewrote and republished the SAME crap in another book; a Third edition called, ‘Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity’! Rene’s ‘forward’ was ‘altered’ and again reprinted with the date of June 2015.

???Does Rene know these facts and about the chapter, in the ‘false’ account, of his visit with Joan and other members of my family? Does he know that Joan/Doris continues to repeat falsehoods?

It is very easy to go to Amazon with those titles and see reviews/comments and discussions.

Here is a link to one of my blogs and a Facebook page for further info.

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

this blog’s title/sub title is… DUPED BY ADOPTION & AN WOMAN’S STRUGGLE FOR IDENTITY, A BOOK STUDY an in-depth analyzes of the books called Forbidden Family; My Life as an Adoptee Duped by adoption & An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel.

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoptionStruggleforIdentity1/

While the topic of adoption does cause various emotions the practice of adoption is one of PERSONAL choice. I myself adopted my son in a ‘step-parent’ adoption and because Joan/Doris did not LIKE that, she violated my parental rights…for that I banished her from my life! The fact that she continues to write falsehoods and exposures and exploits our family is something that I and others will continue to counter with the truth.

She is not to be trusted. Even those in ‘mainstream’ American adoption reform distance themselves from her.

Thank you for your time

Gert McQueen (born Gertrude Mary Sippel)

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Dear Gert McQueen,

Sorry for the big letters but  I have a visual problem and  my view is just 8 %. I saw  this message a few minuts ago because  I was for in the hospital for a few days after a traffic accident

Thank you for your information  and will send it to René Hoksbergen.

I Only reponse to  Doris Sippel/ Joan Wheeler because she asked more information about my autobiografic book about my life.

I can tell you  that you can’t find lies in my book because two lawyers did a good job by check up all the facts and are agree of the publication of my book.

I don’t know Doris Sippel/ Joan Wheeler and do’nt even know her books.  So I don’t even know what is a lie or what is teh truth she wrote.

Kind regards

George Berben ( born as George Reestman and adopted as George Abbenhuis but  in later years Berben. That is also not the  right name because it is given to me by the Government but still isn’t my real name. The government refuse to given me the real name of my biologic father. After the end of WW 2 1945/46 many children where born out of a realtion between Young girls an women and German soldiers or USA/Canadian soldiers and that is a black( shame on you) page in the Dutch history long time ago!

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Dear Mr George B,

Thank you for your kind reply. I do hope that you are doing well after your accident. I understand your vision difficulty and hope that you are able to increase the size to your advantage.

Thank you for referring my information to Rene Hoksbergen. Yes, there are many incidents, in every country, in the past, present and in the future, that can be called ‘black (shame on you)’ social/history pages. Such is the world of humans! My concerns are with the accuracy and honor of my family, in particular my parents whom do not need to be exploited by Joan/Doris…but that’s my issues not yours.

Again, thanks for your reply and best wishes to you.

Gert McQueen

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