Why do these ‘ladies?’ (Mirah Riben and Doris M Sippel/Joan M Wheeler) have to be so malicious to those that CHOOSE to adopt?

very important post

Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

Mirah Riben is the author of What are Predatory Adoption Practices? on Huffington Post.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/predatory-adoption-practices-what-is-an-adoptoraptor_us_59d1521ae4b0f3c468060fbc

The article is self-exploratory and NOT the subject of this post…the comments ARE.

It is difficult, at times, to understand the way Huffington Post’s comment section operates. One time you see comments and then another time you don’t! It seems that ‘some’ authors are ‘in control’ of their own posts and I suppose the comments.

From Huffington Post is this statement…

This post is hosted on the Huffington Post’s Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and post freely to our site. If you need to flag this entry as abusive, send us an email.

Go figure! Any way…

Here are comments on the article by Mirah and Doris/Joan

Mirah Riben Author

Works at HuffPost

Proposed Legislation Designed to Safeguard Birth Fathers’ Rights, Protect Adoptive Families
https://chronicleofsocialchange.org/…/proposed…

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JoanMWheeler/DorisMSippel gives expert advice – NOT! and other observations of the latest bout of mouth diarrhea from Joan M. Wheeler

another early post

Refuting a Book of Lies: Forbidden Family --

by Gert McQueen

NOTE…this post was written and posted here BEFORE I had my own computer

Joan Wheeler doesn’t like being lied to…YET…she has no problem lying about others!! How can that be, I ask you??

 It amazes me, to no end, how a person can believe two separate and different things at the same time and not see how that doesn’t work in the real world. It’s called cognitive dissonance!

 The other thing that amazes me is how a person can believe that only therapy can make their life whole! That’s pretty sad!!

 Now while I’ll agree that there are times in a life when a person might need help, of various kinds, I have had to have some help from ‘professionals’ on occasion, but, to say that ONLY therapy can help only proves to me that that individual must really be off their rocker and therefore not to…

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The latest “wisdom” from Joan Wheeler, um, well, actually, she’s trying to show that she has some widsom

a early post with tons of info on Joan/Doris’s behavior, dirty deeds and lies

Refuting a Book of Lies: Forbidden Family --

I rarely go over to Joan Wheeler’s website – because it’s all the same bullshit over and over. anti-adoption, and how Joan has suffered because of her adoption. Ho-Hum.

SEE END OF POST FOR UPDATED INFO

But this morning, I went over there and found this little ditty that she put up:
A mind at peace, a mind centered and not focused on harming others, is stronger than any physical force in the universe. – Wayne Dyer

I like Dr. Dyer. I have several audio cassettes and cd’s of his  motivational lectures. But I think Joan is just trying as usual to pump herself up for her blog-readers. Well, actually, what is going on, is Joan is trying to “stick it” to us again. She has found out the past 2 and a half years that she can’t shut us up. Since we’ve had this blog, and were successful in…

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It’s a mind-boggling how Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel rants and raves, year after year…

and NEVER sees, NEVER gets it, NEVER shuts up, NEVER understands that NO ONE IS LISTENING to her and furthermore….NO ONE cares!

Well that’s not entirely true, I care! I care because Joan/Doris exposes and exploits myself and my family and that is WHY I write about what she does.

This post is a list of links of just ONE huge rant of Joan’s to ONE person. I wrote SIX blog posts! It doesn’t matter what year she writes, it’s always the same ranting of a very disturbed person, who causes a lot of damage to others.

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/02/01/browbeating-and-insults-abound-as-joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-is-unable-to-control-herself-1-of-6/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/dangerous-combination-for-adoptees-when-joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-believes-her-own-bs-as-she-slanderslibels-others-2-of-6/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/03/04/dont-take-that-bone-of-contention-away-from-mad-dog-joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-3-of-6/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/04/02/joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-tells-us-why-she-became-hateful-about-adoption-4-of-6/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/devastating-effects-thats-what-joanmwheelerdorismsippel-tells-john-in-todays-adoption-lesson-5-of-6/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/06/09/caring-for-the-elderly-another-topic-by-expert-joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-on-adoption-6-of-6/

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Cognitive Biases…is what ails Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel!

Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

Cognitive Biases…is what ails Joan Wheeler!

An article written by Jennifer L. Mnookin: The ‘West Memphis Three’ and combating cognitive biases….Pioneer Press Updated: 08/26/2011

Gert’s note: after this article I shall present my observations about cognitive biases. Within this article I shall place blocks of text in italic that I shall use for my observations, following the article….see end of post for updated info

Last week, the “West Memphis Three” were released from prison, having spent half their lives – 18 years – behind bars for crimes they almost certainly didn’t commit. So what made prosecutors and investigators sure they had the right guys, and why were those beliefs, once established, so hard to reverse?

The crimes for which the three Memphis men were convicted were brutal. Three 8-year-old Cub Scouts were found dead, hogtied and apparently mutilated. The police decided early on that it was likely the boys had been victims…

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2 of 2; Op-ed article, by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel, gets insider attention from Gert McQueen! Part two of two.

There’s always another side of any story!

see part one here…https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/1-of-2-op-ed-article-by-joan-m-wheelerdoris-m-sippel-gets-insider-attention-from-gert-mcqueen-part-one-of-two/

Behind the scenes comments of Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel

Here, in this part two post, you will find a series of PUBLIC comments from, two different PUBLIC Facebook accounts, where Joan/Doris shared a link about her Buffalo News article. She then asked her friends to comment, on the News article and to ‘educate the public’, for the News EDITED her piece and omitted keys points! She then had continued discussions, in a public forum, about the on-going (real time) placement of comments, on the News article, as well as telling falsehoods about me and family. So much for MY AND MY FAMILY’S PRIVACY! This is WHY I objected to and wrote my comments on the News article, in the first place, for Joan/Doris uses her position to exploit my family via her untruthful book!

I will be discussing many of these comments at end of the presentation of these comments.

DISCLAIMER…Whenever one writes a public article, on any Internet site, and/or comments on a public article, or writes a comment on a PUBLIC Facebook account that is plainly labeled as a PUBLIC post, there is NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY. That being said, the commentators on this, on line Buffalo News story, have given their ‘right’ to privacy away and publishing their names here, on a public blog, is PART and PARCEL of the News story.

http://buffalonews.com/2017/07/14/another-voice-cuomo-must-veto-flawed-adoptee-bill/

“Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.”

― Native American Proverb

Here is her strand that she has been weaving…

Doris Michol Sippel shared a link to the group: ALARM – Advocating Legislation for the Adoption Reform MovementJuly 15 at 8:58am

My article helping New York State adoptees published! The Buffalo News edited it, omitting keys points. Please add your comments in the Comment Section! Educate the public!

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Commented. Only hope people actually read it.  July 15 at 10:18am

Doris Michol Sippel Thank you! Your comment hasn’t shown up yet. At least I cannot see it. July 15 at 10:30am

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Weird, when i commented there was one there then mine. Some one must be deleting them.  July 15 at 12:35pm

Doris Michol Sippel Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna No, it’s there. Website didn’t update, but did later.  July 15 at 3:46pm

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna I wrote about the 14th amendment equal protection clause. July 15 at 12:36pm

Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna Weird cause i have notifications that people replied, liked my comment but when i go back there, i see no comments. Maybe you need a subcription to the newspaper ?  July 15 at 3:24pm

Doris Michol Sippel Kimberly S. Worden-Poledna I don’t know. I answered your comment. I can send you what I have saved on a Word Document, if you like. And, I don’t know if there are other comments because I blocked my 2 evil sisters so I don’t know if they commented. I think if you blocked someone, their comments will not show up for you.  July 15 at 3:49pm

Natalie Rose Yes I see it   July 15 at 10:44pm

Paul Bourke Andrew Cuomo: typical liberal hypocrite…  July 15 at 3:20pm

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum I think I pissed someone off.  July 15 at 5:17pm

Doris Michol Sippel Why Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum? I don’t see your comments?  July 15 at 6:11pm

Doris Michol Sippel What did you say? You mean, there are other comments on there? If so, can someone send me screen shots? July 15 at 6:13pm

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Currently nine comments. July 15 at 6:52pm

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Can you see the replies to comments from people you’ve blocked? You can’t see G’s comment because you blocked her but what about people who reply to her? July 15 at 6:55pm

Doris Michol Sippel Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Nope. Nothing. I can only see comments not in her her thread by people who are not blocked. Thank you, for whatever you said! If you can copy and paste on a word doc and send it to me, I’d appreciate it.  July 15 at 10:02pm

Natalie Rose Gert McQueen – seems to be a bio fam member of authour  July 15 at 10:45pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Gert is my eldest sister who found me in 1974. I have been hunted down, harassed, abused sexually and my life threatened, all because Gert and my other sisters feel that I am wrong to be anti-adoption.I have absolutely nothing to do with these women (Ruth is the other one) and have not been in contact for over 35 years. They insert themselves into everything I do online. By what is written on that thread ( someone sent me a copy because I blocked them) I can tell you that my sisters have ruined my life. They have 6 blogs dedicated to libel and slander of me. They did horrible things to me in our reunion. I wrote a memoir, not just about them, but me, my life, my adoptive homelife, my journey, my activism since 1974. Take some time and take a look at my website and judge for yourself. www.forbiddenfamily.com … then ask, who is the sane person? Me or gert? My adoptive mother was afraid of my sisters. I am afraid of them. I cannot stop them, either. FORBIDDEN FAMILY Promoting Adoptee Identity Civil Rights Since 1974 FORBIDDENFAMILY.COM   July 15 at 10:52pm

Doris Michol Sippel Obviously, the older, non-adopted sister (Gert) has to tell the younger, adopted-out sister (me), how to behave. Sorry she dragged into other adoptees, too. July 15 at 11:04pm

Natalie Rose Oh Doris, I’m so sorry. I pass no judgement on you! I couldn’t read their comments due to being cruel and obviously vindictive.  I will absolutely read your website. I look forward to learning from you and all who’ve been working so hard against this machine.  July 15 at 11:04pm

Natalie Rose I’m not an adoptee. I’m a first mother.

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Thank you for understanding. yes, I’ve been at this a very long time. yes, I do posses my OBC, but I do not have the legal right to obtain a copy of it. Gert does not know what she is talking about…if she starts talking about how I interfered in her adoption of her son: this is the real truth: she had a boy and a girl. Her 2nd husband wanted to adopt the 15 year old boy. I said in 1980 that his birth certificate would be changed. They got mad at me and threw me out of their apartment. She is not a birthmother. She is not a foster mother. She is not an adoptive mother, but she will say she is. Twist things to get her way… I’m glad you see how she is. And I do not think I have ever exploited my two families. the book was vetted by an attorney before publication. I have never been sued for libel.    July 15 at 11:11pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose I hope you find peace in your journey as a first mother. July 15 at 11:12pm

Natalie Rose Doris Michol Sippel thank you. I’m feeling ready to place my anger into action. If you have any advice or recommend any contacts, please pm me. I’ve been reading a lot of studies and really want to make agencies provide full disclosure to future expectant mothers. July 15 at 11:16pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Yes, let me sleep on this. There are several moms I can send you to. Of course, there is Sandy MusserLee CampbellMirah Riben AuthorJo Swanson, and these are the pioneers! I’m a bit sleepy so not calling up names … Claudia Corrigan D’Arcy also has a great history and involvement in the movement. All of these moms are on facebook and have blogs, or news columns, or have written books. July 15 at 11:21pm

Natalie Rose Doris Michol Sippel thank you! Yes I recognize some of these women July 15 at 11:23pm

Doris Michol Sippel Natalie Rose Sleep time for me now! Goodnight!   July 15 at 11:23pm

…….and from….

Doris Michol Sippel‎ to New York State Adoptee Equality  July 15 at 9:07am

My article calling for Gov. Cuomo to veto Adoptees’ Bill was published in the Buffalo News! The editor took out key points, so, please, head over to the Comment Section!

Rosemary Starace Excellent article nevertheless.

Doris Michol Sippel Thank you!

Lisa Boone First let me say this. My adoptive family is my family. They have been there for every joyous and difficult life event. I love them with my entire heart.

After reading all of the comments, I had a burning desire to chime in at the web site containing the editorial; however, it would not further a healthy debate on the topic. The bottom line is that two people procreated and the resulting child is factually who they are at birth. We all have a right to that information and everything resulting from that is separate. Adoption will always be an important option, but my identity is mine alone. You gave up that right when you had relations. I know bio mother and one year ago found bio dad via DNA. My blood, my heritage, and my identity were erased at the age of two and replaced with another. Adoption should not erase your original identity, rather adoption should be an acceptance of who you have always been since birth, unless the adoptee chooses to change it when they grow up. I am in MN – closed adoption state. Rant over.  July 16 at 5:00pm

Gretchen Elisabeth Hoffman Catholic charities in St. Paul Minnesota had a good post adoption legal service that put me and my sons adoptive mother together. Not so closed a state

End of these comments…

Now for my own take on what Joan/Doris has said and done here!

Joan said…

My article helping New York State adoptees published! The Buffalo News edited it, omitting keys points. Please add your comments in the Comment Section! Educate the public!

Gert says…Well isn’t that NICE! The editors were at work editing out ‘key points’ of Joan/Doris’ rants. Joan knows better than an editor! She corrected that ‘editing’ in her comments on the News site. But the POINT is that the editorial stuff of the News, has the right to edit OUT what is inappropriate and knowing Joan/Doris she must have had quite a rant! ‘Educate the public’!? This is not how one goes about doing that ‘educating’, particularly when she tells falsehoods, here, and then has her ‘gang of thugs’ go after me on a public news article! This is the common practice that Joan and other adoptees do to ANYONE who is pro-adoption…bad PR work!

Joan said…

I don’t know if there are other comments because I blocked my 2 evil sisters so I don’t know if they commented. I think if you blocked someone, their comments will not show up for you.

Gert says… typical name-calling by Joan in public…character assassination. No wonder the ‘other side’ NEVER gets to tell their story, we have been pre-judged!

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum/Doris Michol Sippel says…

I think I pissed someone off.

Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Can you see the replies to comments from people you’ve blocked? You can’t see G’s comment because you blocked her but what about people who reply to her? July 15 at 6:55pm

Doris Michol Sippel Gaye Sherman Tannenbaum Nope. Nothing. I can only see comments not in her her thread by people who are not blocked. Thank you, for whatever you said! If you can copy and paste on a word doc and send it to me, I’d appreciate it.  July 15 at 10:02pm

Gert says…and it appears as if those News editors also were on the job keeping Gaye in her place! Gaye has her own vile tongue that is greased by Joan’s hatred for me and my family.  Joan asked for a copy and pasted doc of what is being said by me! Okay, that’s fine…but I don’t want to hear Joan bitch that HER PRIVACY is being violated! She can’t have her cake and eat it too!

Joan said…Natalie Rose Gert is my eldest sister who found me in 1974. I have been hunted down, harassed, abused sexually and my life threatened, all because Gert and my other sisters feel that I am wrong to be anti-adoption.I have absolutely nothing to do with these women (Ruth is the other one) and have not been in contact for over 35 years. They insert themselves into everything I do online. By what is written on that thread ( someone sent me a copy because I blocked them) I can tell you that my sisters have ruined my life. They have 6 blogs dedicated to libel and slander of me. They did horrible things to me in our reunion. I wrote a memoir, not just about them, but me, my life, my adoptive homelife, my journey, my activism since 1974. Take some time and take a look at my website and judge for yourself. www.forbiddenfamily.com … then ask, who is the sane person? Me or gert? My adoptive mother was afraid of my sisters. I am afraid of them. I cannot stop them, either.

Gert says…the same old tired story filled lies by Joan that she has put into print and spreads where ever she goes! Ruth and I have addressed all these accusations of Joan multiple times on our blogs and in Amazon comments and discussion forums. If we DID all these horrible things, then WHY would we write about them and provide DOCUMENTATION of the REALITY of the episodes? Joan doesn’t recognize anything but her own versions.

The fact that Joan/Doris exposes and exploits us and our family, via her books, escapes her, she sees NOTHING wrong with that and therefore she can’t fathom WHY we object! She is frustrated BECAUSE we will NOT be silent in the face of her exploitation of our family. We are her worst enemy, ones she cannot destroy because she created us.

Because she is NARCISSITIC everything is exaggerated! Any statement that is contrary to hers MUST be false! She can’t handle another’s viewpoint! How does she know how many blogs we have; because she can’t stop herself from following US AROUND! Kathy has one inactive blog. Ruth has on active blog. Gert has two active blogs and one Facebook page; that makes FIVE not six. If you count Amazon that makes six! If Joan would STOP writing about us, we wouldn’t have to contour her! She screams that we libel and slander her, but THINKS NOTHING of what she has done to us and our entire family!

Her memoir is NOT about her life it’s about her PERCEPTION of how everyone hurt her and she wrote it to get EVEN with everyone because she is adopted. Anyone who writes a book and USES the real birth and adoptive family sur-names and discusses ANYTHING about other REAL people WITHOUT permission is exposing and exploiting those people. The ONLY way that Ruth and I can do is to give OUR TRUTH and JUSTICE via writing, to contour, all that Joan has written that is false. On Amazon, we have the right and we do, write reviews, comments and discussion forums. If she can’t handle the truth then she NEEDS to get out of the public arenas. She can’t hide between her BS story line forever; that is WHY she wants to discredit us. We don’t have to discredit her, for she has already done that job very well!

She can’t see that the majority of people that don’t have a VESTED interest in her propaganda agenda can SEE which person is sane or not. Her sense of self-importance is threatened every time I speak ABOUT her involvement in my own adopting! That is why she brings out the ‘my adoptive mother was afraid of my sisters. I am afraid of them. I cannot stop them, either.’ Bullshit! She CAN stop us! ALL she has to do is STOP exploiting us and family with that lying book! Drop it! stop, just stop! If she doesn’t or can’t, well then she HAS TO KEEP HEARING FROM US.

Joan said…Obviously, the older, non-adopted sister (Gert) has to tell the younger, adopted-out sister (me), how to behave. Sorry she dragged into other adoptees, too.

Gert says… This old pathetic line! She has NO RIGHT to interfere with my or anyone else’s PARENTAL RIGHTS. Joan violated me and my family! Oh and look at that pathetic sorry line!

Joan said…Natalie Rose Thank you for understanding. yes, I’ve been at this a very long time. yes, I do posses my OBC, but I do not have the legal right to obtain a copy of it. Gert does not know what she is talking about…if she starts talking about how I interfered in her adoption of her son: this is the real truth: she had a boy and a girl. Her 2nd husband wanted to adopt the 15 year old boy. I said in 1980 that his birth certificate would be changed. They got mad at me and threw me out of their apartment. She is not a birthmother. She is not a foster mother. She is not an adoptive mother, but she will say she is. Twist things to get her way… I’m glad you see how she is. And I do not think I have ever exploited my two families. the book was vetted by an attorney before publication. I have never been sued for libel.

Gert says… How interesting is this…that Joan must say BEFORE I said anything online…(‘if she starts talking about how I interfered in her adoption of her son: this is the real truth’) Joan KNOWS what the truth is and she HAS TO tell her version BEFORE I CAN!

Yep Joan has the truth! She was there when I adopted my son, she was present with the lawyer and the signing of the documents…WRONG! She doesn’t know the TRUTH of anything; she’s got her story and she’s sticking with it!

Both my children were to BE ADOPTED by second husband! BUT, because they were both over the age of 14 they had to GIVE THEIR PERMISSION to be adopted. My daughter did NOT want to be adopted, therefore she wasn’t! I did kick Joan out of my home, AFTER she called me an unfit mother for adopting and NOT caring about the birth certificate! Joan can NOT see that she did anything wrong. When I forbade her contact with my children she called false child abuse upon us.

In adopting one’s OWN blood child, there are three pieces of papers for the birth mother to sign. Joan was NOT THERE.

I AM the birth mother and I had to sign to GIVE AWAY my child into adoption. Then I became the FOSTER MOTHER and signed to TAKE CARE of said child I just gave up. Then I became the ADOPTIVE mother and signed to TAKE CARE of said child whose name was CHANGED.

Joan’s book may have been vetted BUT once the birth family presented DOCUMENTATION the publisher’s lawyers DEEMED that Joan VIOLATED THE CONTRACT. That is why the book was pulled by Trafford Publishers and why she had to SELF publish.

Correct she’s never been sued for anything, because she doesn’t have anything to take from. That is why we WRITE.

Joan said…

Natalie Rose I hope you find peace in your journey as a first mother.

Gert says…Ahh isn’t that sweet?!! Joan offers peace to someone she doesn’t know and yet has NO peace to offer to her victims! Joan is living the life she created for herself.

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I don’t even know what to say — it’s the same old story – Joan/Doris just lies her ass off.

gertmcqueen 

July 30, 2017 at 1:22 pm

Anyone who DOESN’T know that Joan/Doris lies hasn’t been paying attention or doesn’t care to know or believes what they want to believe, like Joan/Doris herself! We on the other hand, who first hand what the truth is and HOW she lies! Joan believes her own BULLSHIT and that is WHY she is a loser, personally and as a activist for adoption reform…NO ONE takes her seriously, she is totally INEFFECTUAL and everyone knows that except her and her friends.