points of libel in the BOOK “Forbidden Family”; #2 a discussion topic about Forbidden Family, adoptee duped by adoption

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 points of libel in the BOOK “Forbidden Family”

Ruth Pace says:   Initial post: Apr 11, 2016 5:30:10 PM PDT

Gert McQueen says: “This book contains actual real family names and pictures of both the adopted and birth families, which makes identification very easy …”

This is one of the problems with this book (a sales PRODUCT, NOT A PERSON) – When the book left clues for the reader to find MY true name, it left the book with libelous accusations. For example, stating that I have a criminal record, when in fact, I do not. On my blog, I have left scans of the actual police and court documents when the author and I were involved in 3 court cases of harassment. Somehow, the 3 cases got merged into ONE court battle in the book, lasting “three months.” – There ‘were’ three court appearances in 1995, (for ONE case) each one for about 15 minutes in front of the judge. The book leads the reader to believe it was a continuous “three month court battle.” (quote from the book).

The court documents I submitted to Trafford Publications shows that in March 1995, the author appeared for her arraignment. (which took approximately 10 minutes). The case was adjourned to April 1995, where the judge adjourned the case (again, that took about 10-15 minutes). The case reconvened in May 1995, again, taking only 15 minutes.

— Another complaint I filed in 1999 against the author gave me another document – a computer readout from Erie County (New York) Unified Court Systems showing all cases involving me and criminal background – which showed NO CRIMINAL RECORD for one Ruth Sippel (my maiden name). This document was sent to Trafford Publications which proved that I was libeled in this book – where it says I have a criminal record. I do not have a criminal record. Therefore – the book contains a LIE about me.

gert mcqueen says:    Apr 11, 2016 7:27:58 PM PDT

The entire book is filled with libelous materials! This is the second go-round, in print, that the families have been subjected to, all malicious lies by the author! The author ‘slants’ her telling of ‘situations’ to FIT her agenda… that adoption is an evil and that EVERYONE abused her! when in fact it was the author who did the abusing and then wrote LIES! What she has to say about myself, my marriage, and my CHILDREN are all lies! I ALSO sent documents to Trafford Publications, that proved what the author wrote were lies. I spoke with LAWYERS at Trafford Publications and they will NEVER publish this piece of garbage. The only reason this BOOK is available is because the author has SELF-PUBLISHED it! Readers should be warned that what is in this book is NOT TRUE.

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Why is it that Joan M Wheeler, duped by adoption, is NOT a writer for Huffington Post?

She herself says that she is ‘more’ a writer than a speaker! She has been all over the Internet for years now, giving her opinions on the subject of the evils of adoption and her birth siblings, so why doesn’t she have her own column? Don’t you THINK that she, in all her great and wonderful wisdoms, would be a perfect writer for Huffington Post!?

Ah…but there’s a problem with Joan’s form of writing!

I’ve posted in the past, and no doubt will post again, examples of Joan’s ‘writing’ comments and the reactions that happen, or don’t happen, and it’s NOT a pretty sight to read!

This post asks the question – Why do certain comments, that Joan writes, DO NOT get posted on some news stories? The answer; because she’s too insulting to people!

And an addition item here, Joan has a new puppet! She has had, in the past, a ‘gang’ of fellow angry adoptees, and/or individual adoptee reformists, whom thought they could intimidate me and my sister Ruth…to no avail.

Then there are certain ‘special’ puppets that Joan has…MEN. There was Russ, then there was Brian and now there is Mark; they all mimic Joan’s rhetoric and ‘go after’ the birth siblings!

In between these men, who activity insulted us in print, there were other men but they saw what Joan was made of and left her, just as many in the ‘mainstream’ adoption reform community.

Here is the link to the news story;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-ligtvoet/modern-adoption-how-to-su_b_9955762.html

Joan posted on Facebook   May 13, 2016

2nd time I am posting this comment. It was deleted. Why am I the only one to post a comment?

“It is a shame that anyone who agrees with you, Frank, will be seen as anti-gay for supporting your stance that these two gay men adopting is a horrible and disgusting display of conceit and selfishness.

They are entitled to own a child because, well, equal rights and all that jazz.

Baloney. Where are the rights of women? The rights of pregnant women to be cared for when they are vulnerable? They are obviously targets to be preyed upon for the most coveted of possessions – their unborn baby.

Shame on these men and all others like them.

What about the baby’s right to be with her mother? Nope. Gay rights to adopt. That wins over everything else.

What about the baby’s rights to her actual birth certificate and actual name at birth? Nope. Adoption has removed her civil rights to her birth certificate and her name at birth. Upon the finalization of adoption, even open adoption, the adopted person’s birth certificate is revoked and a new one is issued. In this case, a new birth certificate was created, implying that two men sired, conceived, and gave birth to this little girl.

Everyone else’s rights in this scenario are side-lined in favor of these ego-maniacs.”

Then, Mark Kneitinger , Joan’s newest friend, confidant in arms and puppet writes a comment,  in ‘Joan speak’, and it is published.

The most disturbing fact in this article is: children are for sale! We can color it with any flag or stand and glamorize it but the reality exists that there’s a traders market. We have baby brokers and they know the rules! They know which states to shop geared toward tricking mothers that after they realize they want to relinquish consent and the money it’s too late and the baby has been SOLD! Why as a society don’t we promote guardianship so we can preserve the biological relationship and keep the parents in the loop and out of the sale!

And this from someone who ADOPTED his son! Yep, he saw the errors of his ways, with adoption, once he met Joan!

Funny isn’t it! Joan’s comment was deleted twice yet Mark’s stays. Perhaps Joan needs to adjust her attitude.

But then again…just has I was about to post this I took ANOTHER look at the article and Mark’s comment is GONE!

Perhaps both of their ‘positions’ are too extreme! OR…perhaps Mark has decided NOT to continue on with Joan?

Makes you wonder!

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The second go-round of Review #12, of and about, My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption!

The first go-round was an interesting exercise is exchanges with yet another one of Joan M Wheeler’s male puppets, Mark Kneitinger. Joan, and pals, are blind as to how others see her and her depiction of her life and those that, she says, ‘tormented’ her. They don’t see how others wonder how she writes about family members!

Here’s the link to the first go-round…

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/a-new-12-review-for-duped-by-adoption-joan-m-wheeler-right-after-one-reviewer-bails-out-another-takes-their-place-gosh/

And now with a ‘rewrite’ we find Mark again…

Forbidden Family, a must read for the socially conscious and adoptees seeking truth!

By Mark Kneitinger on May 8, 2016 Format: Paperback

I finished Forbidden Family and was breathless. What a tough story to tell and yet done so well. I see this is the author’s first book (revised) and I was swayed by her openness to every detail, good and bad. This is the real deal, no stone goes unturned! This is a life story and a good one for adoptees to read. You pick up a book like this and think it’s a happy ending but Ms. Wheeler is correct in saying that in every aspect she was duped and I would say by the very foundations we hold sacred; the law, religion and family. I came upon this book as my son was adopted and although he never chose to see his biological father he did seek to find his siblings and for him short lived. In the end this is an autobiographical journey into the dangers of closed adoptions. The laws differ by state and country and in my opinion are wrong especially for medical and genetic data. We see the 50’s were a different time and one could walk away from a child with the “support” of others. We see the forbidden truth told to an adolescent girl and an epic journey of self discovery begins but laced with the sad reality that Ms. Wheeler journey is far from over. I think this book is canon in adoptee rights and legal forums and would recommend this book for social workers, the socially conscious and most importantly those “duped” by the system. I would like to read more from this author concerning her own or the adoptees legal fight to obtain their true identity. Again, well written and thought provoking!

May 27, 2016 1:57:32 PM PDT Ruth Pace says:

as to the “continued” legal fight to regain her identity, the author appeared in Erie County Surrogate’s Court on April 18, 2016 and legally changed her name to the name she was given at birth. This does not make her a legal member of her birthfamily however, because on January 14, 1957, as per New York State law, she ceased to become a legal member of the birthfamily, and became a legal family member of those who adopted her.

In order for her to become a legal member of the birthfamily, she would have to be re-adopted by her birthfamily, and since he died in 2011, that won’t happen. And his estate was settled.
Any further developments would have to be done by changing New York State law, and perhaps federal laws.

She has therefore, regained her ‘legal identity’ – as to becoming a legal member of a family, I could always pay a judge and legally change my name to “the-daughter-of-the-artist-formerly-known-as-prince,” but it wouldn’t make me his legal daughter or a legal member of the family.
I do hope that if the author continues to write about her quest to abolish adoption in the world, that she sticks to the subject and not write about other people’s lives, which are not of her business.

May 30, 2016 3:45:54 AM PDT gert mcqueen says:

This book is strictly the author’s viewpoint slanted for her own propaganda that she was DUPED, by the institution of adoption. This book will not help, or sway anyone or help any law to be changed for the betterment of adoption and adoptees. The only people that were duped are members of two families and we can all figure out those reasons! The book is just a long experiment in creative writing 101, with emphasis on dramatics, sensationalism, and the author’s imagination about what she thinks happened or what she wanted/s to happen. It is a fictional story exposing real people’s lives! If you want truth, don’t be DUPED with this book!

 

AND of course the next day both our comments were deleted! Yep Mark does have a problem with our side of the story!